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the difference between a service top and a service sub

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I’ve been thinking about the difference between a service top and a service sub.  I thought they were kind of opposite–now I think they’re kind of the same, just with a different attitude.

Yes, in some ways, I’m a service sub.  I want to help, be petted, and be told I’m a good pumpkin.  I want praise for how I…

  • tend community
  • cook delicious foods
  • track emotional needs
  • track logistical needs
  • celebrate birthdays
  • write
  • make art and zines
  • ask for what I need
  • model liberation
  • nurture plants
  • give
  • care
  • show up for love

In contrast, service tops want to help, look cool, and do it all on their terms.  But we’re both getting off on helping other people, inordinately.

tea

It all started with tea.  I told my housemate friend that I make tea for other people, but I realized that I never make tea for myself.

“Why is that?” my housemate asked.

“Hmm, good question.  I think it’s not for me,” I answered.  “Tea is for the good people.”

I decided that wasn’t fair–I should be nicer to myself.  Of course I deserve tea too.  I vowed to make myself tea sometimes.

But I usually don’t have the energy.  It feels like a pain in the ass, making tea for myself.  Making tea for other people feels like an honor, sacred, and beautiful.  I get joy from it.

flowers

Then I was picking flowers to take over to some activists.  I used old mayo jars and tahini jars, picked wildflowers, herbs, and flowering weeds, and brought cute arrangements over to this site where bright anarchist activists are trying to do good for the world.

I thought the cheerfulness would bring joy to the rent strikers.  They can stay motivated to help.  We need bread, but roses too.  It was fun, but I noticed something.

“Hmm, why don’t I ever pick flowers for myself?” I wondered.

Then I realized maybe I’m a service sub.  I’m not motivated to do it for myself.  But for others, it’s worth it.

service tops

What is the psychology of a service top?  I don’t have much experience with them.  But they might be missing something inside.  The few I’ve known get off on making someone orgasm a lot, tying people up, or helping with some non-sex tasks that use their expertise and make them feel like a badass.

The two I’ve been close to don’t seem to love, not in a way that I understand.  They’re not motivated by love–they’re motivated by something else…  Maybe it’s their ego getting stroked?  I’m not sure.

Or maybe they have a reward pathway I don’t even know about.  Some service pathway has nothing to do with day to day caring for other people and meeting them halfway.

They want to help, but not with the whole person, collaboratively.  Their help is confined to one or two areas, and don’t you dare ask for anything outside of that.

vulnerability

Seems partly about vulnerability.   Engaged collaborative care is too vulnerable.  If everything is on their terms, they can’t fuck it up as badly.  They will do this tiny sliver of relationship, not the whole thing.

They prefer to be clear about it, not to hurt anyone.  But few people want just that sliver.  And few service tops have the communication skills and honesty to admit their limitations and be real about the lack.  They may or may not understand themselves and how limited they are.

Love is huge.  My friend tells me I can see colors that other people can’t see.  A service top who wants to give only certain types of care, in specific ways and on a particular timeline, might not even understand what love is.  They don’t know what they don’t know.

If they experience love as pressure, expectation, co-dependence, or being trapped, and they shut down when they encounter that, they’re missing out.  They’re missing out on huge swaths of the human experience.  Their misread of the behavior of others means huge messes.

If they can only see blues and greens, of course the people who experience reds and oranges are crazy or wrong.  So many people are living in a world where someone has to be bad, and it’s not them.

not bad

I would rather live in a world with less blame.  Few people need to be bad–we can just admit we have mismatched capacities and needs, and move on.

But honesty is important, and self-awareness is no joke.  Honesty is necessary for consent.  But what if you lack the self-awareness to be honest about what you’re doing?

Or if you live in a whole other world, where love is a whole different thing.  What if you don’t even have shared language to tell the truth in?

autism

I don’t think all service tops and service subs are autistic.  But we do often have whole different ways of relating socially.  Kink appeals to us as a way to connect without the usual social rules.

I see the kind autistic people who feel intense compassion with outlier care and can’t turn it off, like me.  And then on the other hand, there’s autistic people who are lost about feelings, seem cold, lack sensitivity, and lack understanding of their own cluelessness.  Wow, there are whole dimensions they’re missing.

Both autism types can be disabling, or components to disability.  Some people have these difficulties swirled together.  Big social differences are hard to live with.

Probably service sub and service top is a bad combination.  The service sub’s care will go partly unwanted, and the service sub will cry a river of tears that their love is misunderstood.

The service top will think they’re being clear about what they offer while being unclear, and feel confused when the service sub is crying a river of tears.  Yes, best we stay out of each other’s way.

thank you

Thank you for pondering with me the difference between a service top and a service sub.  Not sure I have it quite right, but this is a start.  Maybe a service sub wants to give in a wide way, while a service top wants to give in a way that’s narrow.

Here are some questions for discussion.

  • What do you think is the difference between a service top and a service sub?
  • What kink roles are a good match?
  • If you could be any role, what would you be?
  • Do you feel the role you’re in is within your control?
  • Should we try to increase the communication skills of service tops?
  • Should service subs learn to reel in our gifts, impulses, and needs?
  • How do we build a culture of consent?
  • How do we build a culture with less wrong vs right, bad vs good, and more chill honest direct realness?
new idea

What if the difference between a service top and a service sub is a couple of drinks?  Maybe if you scratch a service top, you’ll find a service sub who’s been abused one too many times.

Or testosterone might be at play.  More whiskery people are needing to maintain an illusion of control for safety in power.

Maybe service tops are looking tough to get strength from that, while service subs are trying to get strength from our vulnerability.  But otherwise we’re the same.

By Laura-Marie

Good at listening to the noise until it makes sense.

20 replies on “the difference between a service top and a service sub”

I stopped reading after the first section. Your contempt for Service Tops is glaringly obvious and offensive in the extreme, especially considering you have the understanding of them completely wrong.

But it is a cause of much amusement that you spend the majority of the first section glorifying yourself, then accuse Service Tops of wanting to “look cool.” Priceless. In conclusion, since it’s obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re swimming in bias, maybe keep your yap shut.

I’m a service sub too, to be clear, which is part of how I found this, but it still seems unkind to suggest service tops are all “missing something”, “doing it to look cool”, “don’t feel love”, etc

hey, sorry you found the essay unkind. I go out on a limb on this post and risk being wrong as I root out some truth, or try to. like anything here, please dismiss where you find me incorrect. I have experience with only a handful service tops–maybe I just have met fucked up ones.

Generalisation will always be imperfect.
I would identify as Service Top, I am not diagnosed autistic but diagnosed ADHD and strong introvert who has learned to mask well.
It is uncomfortable to self assess so deeply, but I do believe that healthy or not, part of the satisfaction I get from giving pleasure is a sense of validation/self worth.

Maybe ask a service top what they think of their role/duty instead of making so many (wrong) assumptions? I get pleasure out of making my partners feel pleasure. I get pleasure out of making sure my partners’ needs are met. I certainly am not missing anything inside because of these desires. A lot of us are touch-me-nots or stone. We have boundaries that are different than most. So what?

Being a service top does not imply dominance nor does it imply subservience. Are you perhaps conflating being a service top with being a service dom?

hello, I like to ask others and also write about my own experience. I’m not claiming to know it all or even have a good grasp, as I mention in the essay. yes, I might be confusing service tops and service doms! a lot of people lack self-knowledge and don’t know what they’re missing. I’m curious about stone and touch-me-nots. I have a lot to learn! happy to!

I was asked to give someone a massage in a submissive capacity. However, in providing the service of a massage to them, I didn’t feel submissive. They lay relaxed, with their eyes closed, while I chose which areas of their body to knead and smooth. I felt dominant, I felt that they were surrendering themselves to my care, to my choices. I felt too in control to feel submissive. I have since felt the same in other instances, so it appears that I can’t be a service submissive. Whenever I tend to someone in a kink-related way, I always feel dominant instead.
An amusing way to frame this is to view spanking as “providing a service.” I’ve met people who really like being spanked. Part of their pleasure was feeling like they were submitting to my whims, and considering me dominant while I was… sort of providing a service to them. Servicing their kinks. But very few dominants order their submissives to spank them, because very few people feel dominant while receiving that service. Few people would even view it as a service.
Reading your essay, it seems you view making someone tea as sort of submissively providing someone a service. This specific example is interesting to me, because I’ve met many (male) dominants who routinely cook and plate huge meals and view it as taking care of someone, as someone depending on them for an impressive dinner, and not as a way of serving someone.
On the flip side, sometimes I feel dominant while receiving a service, and sometimes I don’t. I felt dominant while I was receiving a pedicure from a submissive foot fetishist, but I didn’t feel that way when my partner attentively washed me in the shower—although it was also in a bit of a kink context.
To some extent it’s a matter of perspective. The original person I mentioned does feel dominant when they ask a submissive to massage them, to provide that service for them. Whereas from my perspective giving (that specific) service feels dominant, not submissive. And I’ve met submissives who would definitely consider giving a massage an act of service they would happily feed their submissive tendencies with. So how someone feels about performing the action can be very individual, and it can depend on the action.

yes, absolutely. thank you for explaining and for the examples. I’m glad this post is provoking some meaningful sharing. our kink roles can be helpful but I’m glad also if they break down. or if they help us find one another for pleasure but then, not sure we need to cling to them. a lot of us are drawn to rules and roles because they’re clear and we have the autism or for whatever reason are struggling toward ways of socializing that make sense for us. I’m happy for sense to come and go.

i feel it’s unfair to harshly criticize service tops this way, a lot of service tops are autistic, stone tops/touch-me-nots, or both. i am personally a service/stone top due to certain traumas, i’m not a fan of being in a submissive role due to this. i don’t feel that i “look cool” or that i’m “incapable of feeling love”. i care greatly for my partners and always want to make sure they’re comfortable and receiving the care they need. i think this post reads more “tone-deaf” than anything else.

hey, sorry I was tone deaf. should I take it down? I like the ideas. do I have a responsibility to have good tone all the time and not offend people? if I’m really just wrong, I hope it’s not hurtful.

Just an unsolicited observation here, but, this article seems to have spurred healthy conversation and sharing. It wasn’t written to be mean, it feels like was written from a perspective of an outsider trying to understand. And that’s something we should support, and offer our perspective to complete. <3

for me, service domming is like… providing care and support. helping someone figure out what they need, and giving it to them, if i can. i agree with other commenters that your characterization of service tops is harsh, but i also think it’s an honest snapshot of your thoughts at that moment in time, and if you’d like to share what you think about service tops now, i’d love to read it!

Hello! I’m a service top. I think, to use the same analogies as you, the difference can also seen as: I buy flowers for other people, because I don’t really want flowers for myself, but I love seeing other people happy wren they receive flowers. I don’t make myself a cup of tea because I don’t care about whether I have tea or not, but I know my bottom loves tea, so I like to make sure they have as much tea as they want to drink. It’s not from a place of ego or power. I genuinely do not care to receive it myself, but I love to provide to others; to be the caregiver, to be the one who makes sure my bottom is given everything they want and need. Your current description is a little hurtful, and I wanted to post this comment in the hopes of helping you understand.

I’m going to disagree with some of the more specific assumptions or questions posed here.
Every top does it for a different reason, and those reasons are incredibly complex.

I, personally, am a service top because I want to care for the people I love and make their fantasies come true.
It’s a raw fact of the community that subs outnumber doms. When you raise the bar to “doms that provide the right safety net and aftercare” it’s even more lopsided. I know what that’s like, so I try to serve a positive role for others.

I’m a sub, but I’m physically very large, and I’m a little older than the typical scene. So I choose to surrender my preference and fulfillment to play a top role and find what happiness I can from giving it to others.

Some of us are just subs in the wrong body making due with the reality. But we’re still very emotionally connected.

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